tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36100279.post7848972076415783511..comments2023-11-02T06:18:52.845-05:00Comments on Past Elder : It's Fall -- What Happened to Sukkoth? 2009.Past Elderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10541968132598367551noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36100279.post-19632739470903623782010-07-02T02:18:43.001-05:002010-07-02T02:18:43.001-05:00OK, this topic is of real interest to me. Sorry, I...OK, this topic is of real interest to me. Sorry, I realise I'm joining in more than half a year too late, but as a Lutheran, I really think our sanctoral calendar should be expanded to include optional observances of the major fall feasts of the Jewish calendar which you mention. I would like to see official propers for these feasts, including lections, collects, psalms, and suggested hymns. As I look around at what readings Messianic Jews use for these days, I see them mostly following the traditional jewish torah reading schedule with a few B'rit Hadashah readings added in, but it seems to me that those readings could be better selected with more attention paid to the grand themes (e.g. God "tabernacling" in eternity with his people) which we expect our Lord, in his second coming, to fulfill in thise feasts, just as he did for the Passover and other spring/early summer feasts of the Jewish calendar, in his first coming. I would really like to know if anyone has ever heard of the idea of Lutheran propers for observing those days, and if so, where can they be found?Francis Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15596031344149517132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36100279.post-58834646423190077072009-09-07T23:36:21.704-05:002009-09-07T23:36:21.704-05:00Thank you for the thought provoking comment btw! T...Thank you for the thought provoking comment btw! This will make its way into next year's version!Past Elderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10541968132598367551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36100279.post-63918753283548227502009-09-07T23:29:53.272-05:002009-09-07T23:29:53.272-05:00I don't think so. Two reasons, one being thei...I don't think so. Two reasons, one being their distinct Westerness, being completely absent in the East, which argues against a direct descent from the Shalosh Regalim, the other being Ember Days are a part of a cycle of four, not three, the old Latin name being quattuor anni tempora, and the word "ember" itself meaning "cycle". <br /><br />I think their origin is more to be found in the three agricultural feasts of pagan Rome, which the church of Rome directly appropriated, adding a fourth to round out the seasons. <br /><br />Some see a parallel origin in the four seasonal festivals of the pagan Celts, which we also still have: Imbolc as St Brigid's Day and Groundhog Day, Beltane as May Day and Walpurgisnacht, Lughnasadh as the blessing of the fields, and Samhain as All Souls' Day and Halloween.<br /><br />While all have an origin in the universal theme of marking the seasons especially with regard to crops therefore food, including the Jewish ones, none would derive from the divine content given the Jewish ones in the Law. IMHO.Past Elderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10541968132598367551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36100279.post-16964817494930213322009-09-07T23:00:28.627-05:002009-09-07T23:00:28.627-05:00Sometimes I wonder whether the September Ember Day...Sometimes I wonder whether the September Ember Days are a Western remembrance of Yom Kippur, Rosh Hashanah, and Sukkoth.Brian P Westgatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15383132438753364755noreply@blogger.com